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User-Agents.ptxt update 2013-12-26
Dec. 28, 2013, 10:39 PM
Post: #16
RE: User-Agents.ptxt update 2013-12-26
(Dec. 28, 2013 05:35 PM)Belarathon Wrote:  Here's what I get when I click on the first search return, as I did above:

Sorry I should have been more specific. I'd like to see what you see after clicking dbug in the sidki sets icon on the google results page for "test".

May be the same as what you see at
http://www.google.com/search?q=test&comp...and=dbug..
or
http://https-px-.www.google.com/search?q...and=dbug..


(Dec. 28, 2013 05:35 PM)Belarathon Wrote:  Curiously, while most sites are reporting

Code:
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 10.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/6.0)

A few seem to detect the real user-agent,

Code:
GET / HTTP/1.1
Accept: text/html, application/xhtml+xml, */*
Accept-Language: en-US
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; Trident/7.0; rv:11.0) like Gecko
Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
Proxy-Connection: Keep-Alive
Host: microsoft.com

In fact, if you just type "user-agent" in DuckDuckGo, it'll retrieve your true OS and UA.

I thought your IE string was
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; Trident/7.0; rv:11.0) like Gecko
per http://prxbx.com/forums/showthread.php?t...7#pid17367

Regardless, if the code blocks are from the Proxomitron's log window, the sites aren't detecting the UA. The Proxomitron is sending a different UA to different sites. Windows NT 6.3 would be unexpected, however.

(Dec. 28, 2013 05:35 PM)Belarathon Wrote:  Here's some reading on how IE11 UA differs from prior browsers...I thought this might be of help (or not). Not that I thought you needed it...this is just one of the sites that popped up when I googled "user-agent."

Understanding user-agent strings

Oh, I needed it. Read it yesterday. Wink
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Dec. 28, 2013, 11:25 PM
Post: #17
RE: User-Agents.ptxt update 2013-12-26
(Dec. 28, 2013 10:39 PM)JJoe Wrote:  I'd like to see what you see after clicking dbug in the sidki sets icon on the google results page for "test".

I can get that little blurb that I posted above from google.com, but with the new UA list, I literally cannot get a debug to display from the results page. The sidki menu does not display either, but I tried via the log window to get a debug...no such luck. It just displays a fully rendered page. I can get a debug with the old list, as well as the sidki menu.

I tried to get a debug from many other sites with the new UA list and was mostly successful, except for live mail, which also gave me a fully rendered page.

For your information, I did start with a fresh Proxo install this afternoon, unzipped the sidki filterset, kept my Exceptions-U and bypass list, and left the filterset mostly default. I still came up with the same behavior.
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Dec. 29, 2013, 03:57 AM (This post was last modified: Dec. 29, 2013 04:00 AM by JJoe.)
Post: #18
RE: User-Agents.ptxt update 2013-12-26
(Dec. 28, 2013 11:25 PM)Belarathon Wrote:  I literally cannot get a debug to display from the results page. The sidki menu does not display either, but I tried via the log window to get a debug...no such luck. It just displays a fully rendered page.

Ah! This is what I would expect, if you had not enabled filtering of https.

Google defaults to https for certain User-Agents, IE10 or 11 for example.
Other UAs get regular http.

Other sites also do this.

So, I'll guess, that 'fixing' the list allowed google to recognize the browser. Google then sent code that your cfg isn't set to filter.

If my guess is correct, you'd like to fake a valid UA that gets the http search page or
you could use the hosts file to redirect google to the nosslsearch.google.com server. Hosts entry is

Code:
216.239.32.20 www.google.com

http://prxbx.com/forums/showthread.php?t...3#pid17253

If my guess is incorrect,

(Dec. 28, 2013 11:25 PM)Belarathon Wrote:  I did start with a fresh Proxo install this afternoon, unzipped the sidki filterset, kept my Exceptions-U and bypass list, and left the filterset mostly default. I still came up with the same behavior.

could I have copy of your Exceptions-U, bypass list, User-Agents.ptxt, and cfg? Email is fine.
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Dec. 29, 2013, 01:59 PM (This post was last modified: Dec. 29, 2013 04:30 PM by Belarathon.)
Post: #19
RE: User-Agents.ptxt update 2013-12-26
(Dec. 29, 2013 03:57 AM)JJoe Wrote:  could I have copy of your Exceptions-U, bypass list, User-Agents.ptxt, and cfg? Email is fine.

I've rolled up those files in a zip and PM'ed you a link where they can be downloaded.

Thanks.
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Dec. 29, 2013, 05:36 PM
Post: #20
RE: User-Agents.ptxt update 2013-12-26
(Dec. 29, 2013 01:59 PM)Belarathon Wrote:  I've rolled up those files in a zip and PM'ed you a link where they can be downloaded.

I guessed right:

(Dec. 29, 2013 03:57 AM)JJoe Wrote:  So, I'll guess, that 'fixing' the list allowed google to recognize the browser. Google then sent code that your cfg isn't set to filter.

After adding dave's suggested string

Code:
(www.|)google.com/    $SET(0=f_ua_┬žOpera/9%2e64 (Windows NT 6%2e1; U).)

to your Exceptions-U, google works as I think you would expect.

You shouldn't be seeing the sidki menu because your default cfg has disabled it.

Quote:Name = "Add Proxomitron Menu 07.09.05 (fail) [sd] (d.1 l.2)"
Active = FALSE
URL = "$TST(hCT=*html)(^$TST(keyword=*.(a_nomenu|i_level:1).*))$SET(jsVarsB=$TST(jsVarsB=(*$toDo: )\1(0|$SET(3=+)([^,]+)\2) \4)\1\2\31\4)$SET(volat=$GET(volat)menu:1.)PrxFail$TST()"
Limit = 1
Match = "$STOP(This switch defaults to active in Light Mode and above)"

HTH
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Dec. 30, 2013, 04:00 PM
Post: #21
RE: User-Agents.ptxt update 2013-12-26
Oh...yeah, I eventually disabled that because I never use it, along with the "display important info" filters. I did have it enabled though while testing.
So if it's switching to SSL, than it should work with the ProxHTTPSProxy helper program, yes?
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Dec. 31, 2013, 02:20 AM (This post was last modified: Jan. 02, 2014 08:42 PM by JJoe.)
Post: #22
RE: User-Agents.ptxt update 2013-12-26
(Dec. 30, 2013 04:00 PM)Belarathon Wrote:  So if it's switching to SSL, than it should work with the ProxHTTPSProxy helper program, yes?

Yes but:
I haven't used it much.
ProxHTTPSProxy does stop the certificate alerts from the Proxomitron.
I have found a couple of sites that do not like something about it.
My browsers' flash plugins do not appear to always (if ever) accept something, the cert or the unusual http://somesite.com:443 when they are expecting https:// or ?.
My personal cfg needs to be tweaked to expect the odd url scheme.
There is no certificate verification.

Always be careful and alert when filtering anything important, https or http.
Even better, always be careful and alert when using the internet. Wink
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Jan. 01, 2014, 12:01 AM
Post: #23
RE: User-Agents.ptxt update 2013-12-26
I tried the SSL helper - it didn't quite work out.

Now that you've gone through all that troubleshooting, I've switched to FF.
I feel kind of silly now. FWIW, thank you!
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Jan. 01, 2014, 01:38 PM
Post: #24
RE: User-Agents.ptxt update 2013-12-26
I've never really had much success with it either - is it still being "developed" or is it in a "it is what it is" state?
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Jan. 01, 2014, 11:24 PM
Post: #25
RE: User-Agents.ptxt update 2013-12-26
(Jan. 01, 2014 12:01 AM)Belarathon Wrote:  Now that you've gone through all that troubleshooting, I've switched to FF.
I feel kind of silly now.

No need. I learned something. Smile!
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Jan. 01, 2014, 11:46 PM
Post: #26
RE: User-Agents.ptxt update 2013-12-26
http://prxbx.com/forums/showthread.php?t...3#pid17413
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Feb. 08, 2018, 03:57 PM
Post: #27
RE: User-Agents.ptxt update 2013-12-26
Hello ... I would like to add this 'User-Agents.ptxt update 2013-12-29' to my setup but I do not know the exact steps.

Still have limited knowledge in this area ... this update being dated 2013 should still be OK to use in 2018?

thanks,

Callahan
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Feb. 09, 2018, 10:40 PM
Post: #28
RE: User-Agents.ptxt update 2013-12-26
(Feb. 08, 2018 03:57 PM)Callahan Wrote:  Hello ... I would like to add this 'User-Agents.ptxt update 2013-12-29' to my setup but I do not know the exact steps.

Find and rename the old 'User-Agents.ptxt' file in the Proxomitron's '\Lists\sidki...' folder.
Add the new 'User-Agents.ptxt' to the folder.

(Feb. 08, 2018 03:57 PM)Callahan Wrote:  Still have limited knowledge in this area ... this update being dated 2013 should still be OK to use in 2018?

Well... it's better than the original. Wink

I'm still using it.
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Feb. 11, 2018, 04:42 PM
Post: #29
RE: User-Agents.ptxt update 2013-12-26
JJoe ... OK, thanks for the instructions. That was pretty simple to just add the new information.

I'm not sure the new user agent is showing up ... I also have a user agent switcher in K-Meleon and New Moon ... and they seem to have taken over or are the ones I see when I check my user agent.

I have to do more research and study on this subject.

Thanks again.

Callahan
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